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Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

sticks464 — Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:20 pm

Author: sticks464

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:20 pm

I hope your getting compensated for the training. Most clients think that's part of the design fee.

YSB FTP

Brittany Internet — Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:33 pm

Author: Brittany Internet

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:33 pm

We got FTP details from the very helpful people at Yahoo support today!

I downloaded a full backup for my client and we're now looking at training him up on something a little more with it than YSB, or running it through a custom coded backend..... Would go CMS and some plugins but he has very specific requirements that just don't fit in any kind of off the shelf package....

YSB would be OK if they opened it up a bit.... oh and sorted out the ability to edit HTML FULLY!!! oh and.... let's cut it short at that

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

sticks464 — Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:18 pm

Author: sticks464

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:18 pm

I agree with you on YSB. I had the understanding that Yahoo had closed the ftp access to all sites since their doing away with sitebuilder and free hosting. If you didn't have a copy of your files already you were s.o.l.

How to move your website from SiteBuilder to normal hosting

Brittany Internet — Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:46 pm

Author: Brittany Internet

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:46 pm

I have a client using SiteBuilder - I think adding the letter 'H' after the 'S' sums up the package very aptly.

He's just called me up, pulling his hair out because YSB will not connect to his site to update it!!!

The good news is that it's easy to move your site away in Normal HTML

If you just copy it from the sitebuilder working folder on your PC it'll display a message about sitebuilder right across the top of your page... every page! If you look at the Preview version then it's all with local relative refs to images and file links - so No good.

THE SIMPLE ANSWER TO MOVING FROM SITEBUILDER TO REAL HOSTING AND DREAMWEAVER, FRONTPAGE OR WHATEVER IS:

Very simply, download your site using FTP.... yep that's right, Sitebuilder sorts out it's special code into real HTML when it publishes... which means if you download from the webserver via FTP you get real HTML and can move the site to another hosting provider.

Login TO YSB Server with FTP:
Use ftp.yourdomain.com
User: your sitebuilder user name
Password: you guest it your sitebuilder password.

For FTP Software try Googling FileZilla Download - It's free and unlike YSB works perfectly.

If anyone wants any help with moving away from sitebuilder and setting up hosting, feel free to pm me or whatever.

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

Writer1007 — Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:43 pm

Author: Writer1007

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:43 pm

no idea if this will work...but can't you go inside SB and preview the page in browser...then look at the source code with the browser? Copy and paste to a new html file and upload elsewhere?

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

Bay Area Baller — Mon May 26, 2008 10:07 pm

Author: Bay Area Baller

Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:07 pm

Quote:

so, lemme get this straight. so what's being said is that you don't have to use sb for yahoo web hosting BUT you DO have to use yahoo web hosting when you use sb?

Basically Yahoo Site Builder will not work ANYWHERE other than Yahoo. So If you have created YOUR WHOLE SITE in Site Builder. And you decide to go elsewhere for the hosting.. YOUR F-ED.

Im paying Yahoo appx $13.00 a month.
When I can pay less than $5.00 for hosting elsewhere. (and more gig)

Why dont I do it?.. Yup you guessed it. My WHOLE site is in Yahoo Site Builder =(

here it is www.bobbleheadz.com Its nothing super high tech. Just pictures of bobbleheads. And ALOT of them. Its nearly impossible for me to go elsewhere =(

Any ideas?

-Mike

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

casterblaster185 — Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:03 am

Author: casterblaster185

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:03 am

so, lemme get this straight. by the way, hello all, names caster, just registered and excited bout the community here. anyway, so what's being said is that you don't have to use sb for yahoo web hosting BUT you DO have to use yahoo web hosting when you use sb?

I HAVE A YSB ELP THINGY FOR YOU GUYS

bozy02 — Thu May 25, 2006 4:05 am

Author: bozy02

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:05 am

$--><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><a href="index.html" onMouseOver="document.images['i0'].src='sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-0-mouseOver-55201.png'" onMouseOut="document.images['i0'].src='sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-0-active-55122.png'"><img name="i0" src="sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-0-active-55122.png" width="105" height="24" border="0" alt=""/></a></td></tr><tr><td><a href="aboutus.html" onMouseOver="document.images['i1'].src='sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-1-mouseOver-55372.png'" onMouseOut="document.images['i1'].src='sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-1-inactive-55263.png'"><img name="i1" src="sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-1-inactive-55263.png" border="0" width="105" height="24" alt=""/></a></td></tr><tr><td><a href="News.html" onMouseOver="document.images['i2'].src='sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-2-mouseOver-55607.png'" onMouseOut="document.images['i2'].src='sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATION-2-inactive-55482.png'"><img name="i2" src="sitebuilder/images/NAVIGATIO

look for that as one line when you open your page in notepad and dell the whole line it is only one line of text and it get rid of the banner it puts accross your page and then u can host it anywhere for free.
only one thing........make a copy of the whole folder b4 you go editing...just to be on the safe side but for instance i did a simple site www.vinividivici.cjb.net and it kept bringing up the border and so i did that and yeh it's gone.....you also as u might have gathered have to lay the file manager out exactly as the floder is layed out on your pc

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

sooner1 — Mon May 08, 2006 9:53 pm

Author: sooner1

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:53 pm

Yahoo site builder reminds me of AOL !!

It is junk

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

mjpage — Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:34 pm

Author: mjpage

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:34 pm

Sixgun wrote:

Background color for text blocks, tables, iFrames, etc. is not supported.

Just want to mention that background color for text blocks and tables IS available, but it's kind of hidden. The obvious place would be under Edit > Background, but that's only for the background of the entire page.

To add a background color to the text box or table cell you're working in, right click on it, and choose Background from THAT menu.

I haven't used iFrames, so I don't know if the same holds true for them.

BTW, thank you, Sixgun, for posting all of this! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is disgusted with the imposed limitations of Yahoo's Sitebuilder. I've decided to cut my losses early and re-do my current 10-page website with another tool.

P.S. Thank you for defending freedom in Iraq!

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

Sixgun — Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:58 am

Author: Sixgun

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:58 am

Littlechief, I couldn't agree with you more.... except for the buffet analogy... and then only a little

Yahoo is not advertised as a "buffet". I haven't seen the fine print that says that if I use their tools, I'm hooked. In fact, that is exactly what I think they should do. They should (as I mentioned above), publish a disclaimer to that effect. If I missed it, please tell me where to look.

My analogy would be more in line with buying a Chevrolet. Even though my car is a GM product, and I have on occasion, bought a GM provided tool, I don't think I should be forced to take my car to Mr. Goodwrench for an oil change.

Otherwise, I agree with you completely... YSB is a fantastic tool, and except for some minor limitations, will develop a totally professional looking and acting site with little effort, and with less prior experience.

Since I have actually put a site online, many of my otherwise computer illiterate friends consider me an "expert". No doubt you've experienced the same thing. When they ask me for advice on putting up their own site, I don't hesitate to tell them to use Yahoo and YSB. However, when my IT colleagues ask for my opinion, I strongly advise them against it, and I tell them why.

BTW, great looking site!!!

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

littlechief — Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:40 pm

Author: littlechief

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:40 pm

In defense of YSB, I have been using it for more than 3 years now, I've not had any problems with it since. But you gotta look at it this way, and maybe you didn't read the fine print, but when you goto a buffet for dinner, you can't take food home, you must consume it on premises, or McDonald's don't want you bringing in some Jack in the Box to eat in their establishment.
I am no "advanced" webmaster or anything, but I do believe that YAHOO! SiteBuilder does provide an easy to use tool for ease of creating your most commonly used HTML code at the click of the mouse for those of us that are HTML-illiterate.
My site is mostly textual, but I have been exploring, and using the iFrame recently, being told that visitors like to click on things (hahaha), I also put up some pics, and have in use an email, order and submittal page that redirects you back to my home page after submitting your inquiry. It's plain and simple, and if you'd like to visit it, you can do so by clicking here.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL, @loh@!

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

Sixgun — Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:37 am

Author: Sixgun

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:37 am

While I'm at it, let me clarify one other point.

You do not have to use Sitebuilder to use Yahoo web hosting.

Yahoo hosted sites are just like any other commercially available site, a block of storage space that is connected to the web by a web server. And, it works very well. As far as I know, my site has had zero down time. You can use any development tools you wish and most if not all of their provided add-ons are available even if you don't use their development environment.

My beef is strictly with Sitebuilder and Yahoo's propensity for locking you in to them once you use the tools that they provide with the space that you bought and paid for.

One of the "powers" that we as developers and website owners have is portability, the ability to transfer our property (our code) to other hosts. That is what keeps this wild business of web hosting honest. Given that once a webmaster develops his site on Yahoo with their "free" tool, he cannot exercise that power unless he has some relatively heavy development experience and is willing to perform a re-write.

As far as I can tell, there is no technical reason that Sitebuilder could not be used on any other site. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as Sitebuilder or Yahoo "extensions". YSB is proprietary to Yahoo site simply because its FTP engine is hardcoded to connect with a Yahoo site. That, in itself would be ok, but Sitebuilder also plants that goofy disclaimer on every page that is stripped off only when you publish with YSB.

Since I am caught in a bind right now, the problem is somewhat more in focus for me. I could continue to develop in Sitebuilder, save my files, and then publish with an external FTP engine except for that useless disclaimer. Actually, that is what I'm doing now, and I have to use an external editor to strip the code manually.

I suppose they have a "right" to capture their clientele with what I personally consider nefarious methods, but some friendly disclaimers on their part would make the end result more palatable.

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

Sixgun — Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:43 am

Author: Sixgun

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:43 am

Corey Bryant wrote:

I never said that Yahoo does not work in HTML actually.

I guess I misunderstood this:

Corey Bryant wrote:

They use RTML which as they states "creates" HTML

Corey Bryant wrote:

There is a lot of misinformation on Yahoo's website - especially with their e-commerce information but a few overseas customers use them and I will say that when I had to call them, they were extremely helpful

I believe they have a very broad customer base.

I have just gotten off the phone with Yahoo tech support. After over an hour, the conclusion is that they can't duplicate the connectivity problem that I'm having with SiteBuilder on three different computers with three different connection methods on two different networks via two different ISP's -- a problem that mysteriously popped up two days ago after over a month of continuous development, a problem that now prohibits me from doing further development on my website solely because I'm using THEIR tool -- so they can't help me. They are friendly and all, but if they can't help resolve my problem with diagnostic information that their server provides without first duplicating the problem on their client computer, I'm afraid they haven't been very helpful.

There is, admittedly, a possibility that the current problem is on my end, but I'd expect a technical support solution to at least be able to point me in the direction of where my problem is.

My experience is that if someone wishes to put up a simple static eCommerce site with, perhaps, PayPal support and do it quickly and easily with no prior systems development expertise, then Yahoo is a viable solution. However, if there is any hope of evolution of the site, I can't recommend Yahoo either from a support or tools perspective. There is just simply a better mouse trap.

Re: Yahoo! SiteBuilder BAH!!!!!!!!!

Corey Bryant — Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:00 am

Author: Corey Bryant

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:00 am

I never said that Yahoo does not work in HTML actually.

There is a lot of misinformation on Yahoo's website - especially with their e-commerce information but a few overseas customers use them and I will say that when I had to call them, they were extremely helpful